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- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- The following is a transcript of the 12/29/87 rebroadcast o
- f an episode from the long running television series called "Man Alive". The episode is entitled"The E.T. Hypothesis", and originally ai
- red in April 1987. That particular programreceived the highest audience rating of any episode in the 20-year history ofMan Alive. The seri
- es is hosted by Roy Bonisteel, and this particular show has to do with issues relating to the abduction experience in connection with UFO's.
- The program's format involves location filming, which in this case includesa short interview and hypnosis session with a middle aged
- woman abductee, along with a roundtable discussion about the abduction phenomenom and its manyimplications. The participants include notabl
- y Budd Hopkins, recognized UFOauthority along with other interested parties such as a Futurist and a doctor specializing in hypnosis for the
- treatment of trauma. As Roy Bonisteel is the host of the program, he acts both as a narrator, and as a direct participant. Therefore,
- when he is acting in either capacity I shall indicate it by placing an (N) or (P) behind his name in order to clarify things.Other clarifyin
- g points not expressed in the dialogue, will be indicated by myselfthrough the use of these type brackets < >. The half-hour program Ma
- n Alive is broadcast coast-to-coast in Canada on the Canadian Broadcasting Corp. (CBC), which also produces it. -The program was vi
- deotaped and transcribed by ParaNet member Tom Mickus.+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
- "THE E.T. HYPOTHESIS"Roy Bonisteel (N): Looking up at a star filled sky, how often do we wonder about
- other life in the universe? From what we know today it seems virtually certain tha
- t we're not alone. It follows that contact with an extraterrestrial civilization could happen, and at any
- moment. Most of us would agree that this would be a significant milestone in human history.
- But do we have any idea at all about how it will affect us?
- Popular culture often reflects a naive, comfortable vision of ex
- traterrestrials. They either look and sound like us <ala Mork & Mindy>, or are pets <A.L.F.>. Sometimes the ima
- ge is threatening, a nightmare of unearthly evil <War of the Worlds>,
- but the good guys always win in the end. In more self reflective moments we see extraterrestrials as saviours,
- crucified by our fears <The Day the Earth Stood Still>. But what would the reality be
- like? What could happen to our culture, our religions, our view of the world, our very sense of ourselv
- es as a Race? People have always looked to the skies and seen strange th
- ings, but it wasn't until 1947 that an idea captured the public imagination. That some of these strange objects ma
- y in fact be somebody else's spacecraft. It's an idea that provoked a highly polarized d
- ebate. But believers were often questionable types, they claimed to bring us messages of love from our space
- brothers. But the disbelievers were equally zealous in their pronouncements, and often just a
- s hard to believe. Though the evidence has accumulated, thousands of un- explain
- ed sitings, pictures that have held up under analysis, it still is circumstantial. The subject still provokes pas
- sionate opinions, people who report UFO's are ridiculed in the Press. Scientists make unsc
- ientific pronouncements. The beliefs about them, both pro and con, are sometimes expressed with a fervour
- that can only be described as fanatical. It seems that a lot more is at stake in the UFO contro
- versy than just the evidence.David Jacobs: The UFO phenomenom is strange in the extreme, and even to go ahead and discu
- ss some of the things that I will in fact discuss, suggests....calls into question the quality of my
- judgements.Bonisteel (N): David Jacobs is a professor of history at Temple University in Philadelphia.Jacobs: ...acade
- mics, and other scientists must be EXTREMELY careful because there is a tremendous amount of ridicule attached to this
- subject. Starting in the 1970's, we began to receive large numbers of abduction reports. The abduction reports a
- re I think extremely important. They are basically reports that people claim would have us believe that they were...
- grabbed so to speak by occupants, they were given a physical examination of some sort, and then released. Now normally these kind
- of cases in "the old days" were simply dismissed, put in the CP file, CrackPot. These people would be labelled loonies,
- and there are loonies out there, there are people who lie out there, everybody is aware of that, and this is pr
- obably just another manifestation of that. However, there are so many of them now, and they are so consistent, and the witnesses a
- re so credible that UFO researchers are forced to confront them. They are forced to deal with them. Once we have begun t
- o study abduction reports, it is almost as if a door opened. <Scene Changes>Budd Hopkins: I have worked with 124 people to da
- te who I feel have either had... definitely seem to have had this kind of abduction experience, the
- experience which most interests me. Of those people, 66 have remembered a full account.Bonisteel(N): Budd Hopkins
- is a New York artist who has been researching UFO's since a daylight sighting he had had in the '60's. He's wel
- l known in New York art circles, his work is collected by both the Whitney and Guggenheim mu
- seums. But Hopkins is also the leading researcher into the UFO abduction phenomenom.Hopkins: The people who have experie
- nced these abductions include three people who hold Phd degrees, I have housewives, farmers, two police officers, I
- have two army officers, I have just about everyone you could imagine who has been involved in abductions.Bonisteel(N): We fel
- t that regardless of whether or not the abduction phenomenom is real, it could give us a fascinating window through whi
- ch we could explore the idea of extraterrestrial contact. Four people from varied backgroun
- ds came to my farm for two days to hear Budd Hopkins talk about his research. Professor Allan
- Tuff, a futurist at the Ontario Institute for Studies In Education (O.I.S.I.E), University of Toronto.
- Clarence Dickinson, astronomer and author. John Musgrave, educational consultant from Edmonton, w
- ith an interest in folklore and UFO's. And Dr. Michael Kaufman, a general practicioner who use
- s hypnosis in his practice for treatment of trauma.Hopkins: I'm looking at all these cases and obviously
- you have three alternatives essentially. The person is making it all up, is lying to you, its a hoax. The second,
- and obviously much more rewarding area to look for is that there is some sort of psychological explanation of some sort, of an
- y sort. The third alternative, is of course the only third alternative, is that they are describing what really ha
- ppened to them, as best as they remember it.Bonisteel(N): Its Hopkins contention that they are describing what really happened
- to them. He began to show us some thought provoking slides.Hopkins: This mark on the ground is a photograph taken in Indianapolis, in
- a case that is very central to a whole cluster of events that I'm working on now. In the morning after this event
- happened, this is what turned up on the ground <large circular patch of scorched earth>. The soil is absolutely
- cooked, its almost like rock. It will not hold water, water runs straight through it, and this is the entire area.
- Now this is the leg of that woman foreground <slides show small pock marks>, we'll call her name Cathy. Those little scars
- , those little scoop- marks are associated with two events that happened to her. One, when she was about si
- x, and one when she was about thirteen. And under hypnosis she has remembered a UFO experience where a small tool took a
- little core sample. This is her mother's leg <similar marks on the slide>. Her mother had a missing time experience w
- hich was very distressing for her when she was a little girl, and at the end of it she had this little mark.
- This is another woman who was a close friend, who had an abduction experience, a missing time experience, a
- nd she remembered a great deal of it consciously. This is of course a very common type of figure as we now know <sh
- ows classic picture of alien, four feet tall, big head and eyes....> from so many of these reports. This predates Close
- Encounters incidentally <the movie>.Bonisteel(N): After lunch, Budd Hopkins began to present his latest findings
- publicly for the very first time. Up to this point, only a handful of people have been aware of the things
- that we now heard. Hopkins was understandably nervous.Hopkins: A new aspect of the whole phenomenon which I have stumbl
- ed into has to do with this idea of some genetic experimentation. And we have always known that there have been,
- suggestions at least, of ova being taken form women and sperm from